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		<title>By: Bernie Joyner</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2701</link>
		<author>Bernie Joyner</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This comes more in the form of a question that a comment.  Why choose Thompson as the "Jesusland" candidate?  I understand that he has "conservative" values and his stance on the issues lines up with most conservatives but, this may not be true, the word on the street is that he has little to no "authentic" Christian values.  I realize that the ideal candidate would have both if the second took precendence and their take on the issues lined up with our beliefs.  However, I feel like integrity is much more valuable than getting the job done no matter the cost.  Would you agree?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This comes more in the form of a question that a comment.  Why choose Thompson as the &#8220;Jesusland&#8221; candidate?  I understand that he has &#8220;conservative&#8221; values and his stance on the issues lines up with most conservatives but, this may not be true, the word on the street is that he has little to no &#8220;authentic&#8221; Christian values.  I realize that the ideal candidate would have both if the second took precendence and their take on the issues lined up with our beliefs.  However, I feel like integrity is much more valuable than getting the job done no matter the cost.  Would you agree?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2702</link>
		<author>Dave</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 15:47:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with your premise but Ronald Reagan was accused of much the same.  Although I wish he was more vocal about his faith, he says he is a christian, is pro-life record is 100%, and everything dear to evangelicals he is totally behind, so that is why I'm supporting him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your premise but Ronald Reagan was accused of much the same.  Although I wish he was more vocal about his faith, he says he is a christian, is pro-life record is 100%, and everything dear to evangelicals he is totally behind, so that is why I&#8217;m supporting him.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn Elkins</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2703</link>
		<author>Carolyn Elkins</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 17:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hi Dave- first off, I hope your ankle gets better ; )  I sure do appreciate you and everyone who tries to keep us informed and up to date.  I think I am liking Thompson now for something no other candidate seems to feel- that this is not something that he really wants, but is so concerned about the direction of this country that he feels that he needs to run.  All the others seem to only care about the power that comes with the white house-and how it will benifit them and their friends.  I don't know, I just haven't been as excited yet about this race.  I just pray that the right person will be elected- I get nervous because the Bible tells us (in so many words) that people of a nation get the leader they deserve- I pray we don't deserve a socialist.  God Bless you Dave-</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave- first off, I hope your ankle gets better ; )  I sure do appreciate you and everyone who tries to keep us informed and up to date.  I think I am liking Thompson now for something no other candidate seems to feel- that this is not something that he really wants, but is so concerned about the direction of this country that he feels that he needs to run.  All the others seem to only care about the power that comes with the white house-and how it will benifit them and their friends.  I don&#8217;t know, I just haven&#8217;t been as excited yet about this race.  I just pray that the right person will be elected- I get nervous because the Bible tells us (in so many words) that people of a nation get the leader they deserve- I pray we don&#8217;t deserve a socialist.  God Bless you Dave-</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2705</link>
		<author>Andy</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 02:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2705</guid>
					<description>Hi Dave,

I don't know how I feel about all those candidates. Two requirements are essential in my opinion. One, are they pro-life and two are they pro-Israel. Now the second one doesn't seem to be so all important to some. But with Islam as a threat, sorry but it's not radical Islam we're fighting it's Islam in itself, I think it's even more so important that they are behind Israel and therefore realize the real danger that we are dealing with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how I feel about all those candidates. Two requirements are essential in my opinion. One, are they pro-life and two are they pro-Israel. Now the second one doesn&#8217;t seem to be so all important to some. But with Islam as a threat, sorry but it&#8217;s not radical Islam we&#8217;re fighting it&#8217;s Islam in itself, I think it&#8217;s even more so important that they are behind Israel and therefore realize the real danger that we are dealing with.</p>
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		<title>By: Rivka (Rebecca)</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2706</link>
		<author>Rivka (Rebecca)</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 03:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2706</guid>
					<description>Bernie,

I say this in kindness, don't trust "the word on the street" regarding Thompson. Honestly, I can't understand why evangelicals aren't rallying behind him. He was endorsed by The National Right To Life. He is dead on right about most everything. 

Dave, I hope I can vent a little here? ;~)

Speaking of evangelicals and Huckabee: I must say that one of the issues I have as an "evangelical" is how so many of us have fallen for Huckabee. 

 Not only did I investigate his record, but I have been watching him closely on all of his interviews and lately how he has handled this recent 'ad-pulling' stunt. 

Huckabee spoke about taking the high road by pulling the negative ad, yet Huckabee was the lead speaker in the attack ad. One would think if he were a man of integrity he would have nixed the script the minute he read it. Instead he filmed it and canceled it the night before it was released then showed it to the media. Shortly after that he then goes and attacks Romney right at the beginning of the debate. I thought he was against attacking other candidates. I am learning that Huckabee is very good at coming up with excuses for doing this stuff.

Shouldn't that last stunt be all it takes for 'thinking' Christians to drop their support? Unfortunately, I don't think so and to me that is telling about us. There are many biblical issues Huckabee is on the wrong side of.

If I may be blunt, it disgusts me to see a Christian using Jesus to get ahead and that is exactly what Huckabee is doing. 

I highly recommend listening to Mark Levin's show he did last Monday. I believe it was monday night that he gave the most accurate assessment of Huckabee and McClinton, I mean, McCain.. ;~).  Mark is right on the money with his analysis. Dave has Levin's website on his side bar. It is really worth the listen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie,</p>
<p>I say this in kindness, don&#8217;t trust &#8220;the word on the street&#8221; regarding Thompson. Honestly, I can&#8217;t understand why evangelicals aren&#8217;t rallying behind him. He was endorsed by The National Right To Life. He is dead on right about most everything. </p>
<p>Dave, I hope I can vent a little here? ;~)</p>
<p>Speaking of evangelicals and Huckabee: I must say that one of the issues I have as an &#8220;evangelical&#8221; is how so many of us have fallen for Huckabee. </p>
<p> Not only did I investigate his record, but I have been watching him closely on all of his interviews and lately how he has handled this recent &#8216;ad-pulling&#8217; stunt. </p>
<p>Huckabee spoke about taking the high road by pulling the negative ad, yet Huckabee was the lead speaker in the attack ad. One would think if he were a man of integrity he would have nixed the script the minute he read it. Instead he filmed it and canceled it the night before it was released then showed it to the media. Shortly after that he then goes and attacks Romney right at the beginning of the debate. I thought he was against attacking other candidates. I am learning that Huckabee is very good at coming up with excuses for doing this stuff.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t that last stunt be all it takes for &#8216;thinking&#8217; Christians to drop their support? Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t think so and to me that is telling about us. There are many biblical issues Huckabee is on the wrong side of.</p>
<p>If I may be blunt, it disgusts me to see a Christian using Jesus to get ahead and that is exactly what Huckabee is doing. </p>
<p>I highly recommend listening to Mark Levin&#8217;s show he did last Monday. I believe it was monday night that he gave the most accurate assessment of Huckabee and McClinton, I mean, McCain.. ;~).  Mark is right on the money with his analysis. Dave has Levin&#8217;s website on his side bar. It is really worth the listen.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Joyner</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2714</link>
		<author>Bernie Joyner</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 17:23:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2714</guid>
					<description>Rivka (Rebecca)

I understand your frustration.  I am experiencing the same in trying to decide who to back.  That's why I posed a question instead of a comment.  

I think that the reason why most Christians are having a hard time deciphering through the noise because there is so much of it in which to deal.  Politics is built upon perception.  Politicians know that the majority of Americans have not the time or the interest (sometimes for very good reason) to wade through all of the junk that is out there.  So they put on a good face and hope their past doesn't catch up to them.  I know that this is something that you probably are already well aware.  

I think the reason that Fred Thompson has not come up short, is that he has not yet been pushed to the front and had the scrutinty that some of the other candidates have.  Nobody is perfect all of the time.  Mistakes are going to be made.  They will find problems with his record and reputation.  

You pose a good question on another point.  How do you run a campaign as a Christian and not include Jesus?  I think Huckabee is saying the things that he would want Christians to know about him.  Who knows if all of them are true?  If I was running, I would definitely be aware of the fact that there a lot of Christian voters that are looking for the real deal.  If I felt I were in line with what they wanted, I would let them know that part of myself.  I don't know where the balance is in this conversation.  But, I don't think the key is shrugging off anyone that authentically uses Jesus as part of their platform.

I will try an take a listen to Mark Levin and see what his assessment is of the candidates.  Thanks for the recommendation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rivka (Rebecca)</p>
<p>I understand your frustration.  I am experiencing the same in trying to decide who to back.  That&#8217;s why I posed a question instead of a comment.  </p>
<p>I think that the reason why most Christians are having a hard time deciphering through the noise because there is so much of it in which to deal.  Politics is built upon perception.  Politicians know that the majority of Americans have not the time or the interest (sometimes for very good reason) to wade through all of the junk that is out there.  So they put on a good face and hope their past doesn&#8217;t catch up to them.  I know that this is something that you probably are already well aware.  </p>
<p>I think the reason that Fred Thompson has not come up short, is that he has not yet been pushed to the front and had the scrutinty that some of the other candidates have.  Nobody is perfect all of the time.  Mistakes are going to be made.  They will find problems with his record and reputation.  </p>
<p>You pose a good question on another point.  How do you run a campaign as a Christian and not include Jesus?  I think Huckabee is saying the things that he would want Christians to know about him.  Who knows if all of them are true?  If I was running, I would definitely be aware of the fact that there a lot of Christian voters that are looking for the real deal.  If I felt I were in line with what they wanted, I would let them know that part of myself.  I don&#8217;t know where the balance is in this conversation.  But, I don&#8217;t think the key is shrugging off anyone that authentically uses Jesus as part of their platform.</p>
<p>I will try an take a listen to Mark Levin and see what his assessment is of the candidates.  Thanks for the recommendation!</p>
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		<title>By: Sherri Martin</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2719</link>
		<author>Sherri Martin</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, thank you for your kind words about TheVanguard.Org. We are, in deed, out there, working like crazy for the cause. Rod is a rock. He works tirelessly, even with an abscessed tooth this week!

God bless America. God bless Americans!
S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, thank you for your kind words about TheVanguard.Org. We are, in deed, out there, working like crazy for the cause. Rod is a rock. He works tirelessly, even with an abscessed tooth this week!</p>
<p>God bless America. God bless Americans!<br />
S</p>
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		<title>By: Rivka (Rebecca)</title>
		<link>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2726</link>
		<author>Rivka (Rebecca)</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:08:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/177/new-haymshure/#comment-2726</guid>
					<description>Bernie,
T
hanks for the response! You sound like a very thoughtful believer.

I agree with your assessment on the struggle we have as believers in making this decision. 

I always remember what I heard Rich Mullins say and I think it is worth repeating.. He said that the mere fact that government is run by men makes it corrupt and it is sad when I see people putting their hope in man and not in Christ. 

Our hope as conservatives and conservative Christians is not who is elected because we don't rely on the government to solve all our problems. We know our problems will never be solved because of sin and Jesus solved that one ultimately already for us anyway so we can rejoice! 

The problems we see in America are only symptoms of the bottom line issue that we have forgotten "In WHOM we trust". 

That said, I also believe God has given us a brain and he wants us to use it. We need to vote for a pro-life candidate definately because that man will be harder pressed to put up strict constructionist judges for supreme court nominees. However, there are other biblical issues we need to consider as well. We can't be one issue voters. 

If we get a true conservative in office, it will demonstrate how the biblical principles in scripture are beneficial and for our own good. It will bring God glory whether the conservative is a Christian or not.  How do we know if Fred is a Christian or not anyway? He stated a while back that the first thing he is going to do if he were to get in the oval office is fall on his knees and ask God for direction. I don't know if those were his exact words but that is basically what he said. 

Nevertheless, I am passionate about politics because I care about the freedom we have as a country and as a believer it is important we maintain it so that we can freely share the gospel. 

I also care about our witness to the world. I care about our military men and women that they are well taken care of and are supported to the highest in everything. 

Even though I care about all of this, I know God is sovereign and in control and above all I trust him for the outcome of this election, but I am not going to check out and depend on the media or my friends to make my decisions for me. It is my responsibility to know where the candidates stand, and in the end vote my conscience. 

Sorry for the long rant! ;~)

I am done for now.. 

Rebecca, aka Rivka</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie,<br />
T<br />
hanks for the response! You sound like a very thoughtful believer.</p>
<p>I agree with your assessment on the struggle we have as believers in making this decision. </p>
<p>I always remember what I heard Rich Mullins say and I think it is worth repeating.. He said that the mere fact that government is run by men makes it corrupt and it is sad when I see people putting their hope in man and not in Christ. </p>
<p>Our hope as conservatives and conservative Christians is not who is elected because we don&#8217;t rely on the government to solve all our problems. We know our problems will never be solved because of sin and Jesus solved that one ultimately already for us anyway so we can rejoice! </p>
<p>The problems we see in America are only symptoms of the bottom line issue that we have forgotten &#8220;In WHOM we trust&#8221;. </p>
<p>That said, I also believe God has given us a brain and he wants us to use it. We need to vote for a pro-life candidate definately because that man will be harder pressed to put up strict constructionist judges for supreme court nominees. However, there are other biblical issues we need to consider as well. We can&#8217;t be one issue voters. </p>
<p>If we get a true conservative in office, it will demonstrate how the biblical principles in scripture are beneficial and for our own good. It will bring God glory whether the conservative is a Christian or not.  How do we know if Fred is a Christian or not anyway? He stated a while back that the first thing he is going to do if he were to get in the oval office is fall on his knees and ask God for direction. I don&#8217;t know if those were his exact words but that is basically what he said. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I am passionate about politics because I care about the freedom we have as a country and as a believer it is important we maintain it so that we can freely share the gospel. </p>
<p>I also care about our witness to the world. I care about our military men and women that they are well taken care of and are supported to the highest in everything. </p>
<p>Even though I care about all of this, I know God is sovereign and in control and above all I trust him for the outcome of this election, but I am not going to check out and depend on the media or my friends to make my decisions for me. It is my responsibility to know where the candidates stand, and in the end vote my conscience. </p>
<p>Sorry for the long rant! ;~)</p>
<p>I am done for now.. </p>
<p>Rebecca, aka Rivka</p>
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