Comments on: Help Me Out http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/ Bringing political and moral clarity into the fog of political correctness! Sat, 22 Nov 2008 08:01:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: rightwingdog http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2453 rightwingdog Thu, 06 Dec 2007 03:23:09 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2453 I believe the ads with Chuck Norris are not something positive for Huckabee's campaign. While I am not necessarily a Huckabee fan, I am a Conservative Republican. I just don't think they "fit the mold" so to speak. I can't see why we don't forget this "star power" advertising and get back to the issues. The elections have become a popularity contest fueled by Hollywood. RWD I believe the ads with Chuck Norris are not something positive for Huckabee’s campaign. While I am not necessarily a Huckabee fan, I am a Conservative Republican. I just don’t think they “fit the mold” so to speak.

I can’t see why we don’t forget this “star power” advertising and get back to the issues. The elections have become a popularity contest fueled by Hollywood.

RWD

]]> By: Harry Riley http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2352 Harry Riley Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:07:13 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2352 I like Huckabee.......is he perfect? Not likely but given the presidential population we have to choose from, Huck's head and shoulders above the vomit crowd. Consider our choices.....we still have a choice until the nomination process is closed. I sent him a donation..........first and only so far. It takes more than simply agreeing he has presidential qualities....if we don't put some "rubber on the road" he won't move. I like Huckabee…….is he perfect? Not likely but given the presidential population we have to choose from, Huck’s head and shoulders above the vomit crowd.

Consider our choices…..we still have a choice until the nomination process is closed. I sent him a donation……….first and only so far. It takes more than simply agreeing he has presidential qualities….if we don’t put some “rubber on the road” he won’t move.

]]> By: Dino Minutillo http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2317 Dino Minutillo Mon, 19 Nov 2007 21:59:34 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2317 Davo, I thought it was lackluster with real political agendas. However, this may be an outreach to the (as we talk about with our work cabal) the politically less astute. If you cannot reach some Americans with logical well rounded and educated discussion. This may be Huck's way of doing so. Dino Davo,

I thought it was lackluster with real political agendas. However, this may be an outreach to the (as we talk about with our work cabal) the politically less astute. If you cannot reach some Americans with logical well rounded and educated discussion. This may be Huck’s way of doing so.

Dino

]]> By: Dave http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2316 Dave Mon, 19 Nov 2007 19:18:48 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2316 Scott, I'm just afraid that the steak is going to end up being ground round. Check this out: http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/071113-white-paper-huckabee-update.pdf Scott, I’m just afraid that the steak is going to end up being ground round. Check this out:

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/media/uploads/071113-white-paper-huckabee-update.pdf

]]> By: jackott2 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2315 jackott2 Mon, 19 Nov 2007 15:19:48 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2315 Dave, I think the ad may appeal to some, and every little bit helps. Personally, I am not a Huckabee fan and do not see him as a serious candidate, so the ad is neither positive nor negative from my perspective. Jack Ott Dave,

I think the ad may appeal to some, and every little bit helps.
Personally, I am not a Huckabee fan and do not see him as
a serious candidate, so the ad is neither positive nor negative
from my perspective.

Jack Ott

]]> By: Bill http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2314 Bill Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:55:14 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2314 I think it's great. For almost any other politician considering the Presidency, it's always about ME, ME, ME. I think it's wonderful to see a guy actually defer somewhat to another. The Chuck Norris jokes are some of the most popular ones out there and I think it's a stroke of self-depricating genius to have the courage and confidence to make a commercial like that....I hope to see more. I think it’s great. For almost any other politician considering the Presidency, it’s always about ME, ME, ME. I think it’s wonderful to see a guy actually defer somewhat to another. The Chuck Norris jokes are some of the most popular ones out there and I think it’s a stroke of self-depricating genius to have the courage and confidence to make a commercial like that….I hope to see more.

]]> By: Bernie http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2313 Bernie Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:45:10 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2313 Unfortunately, I think he is being "forced" to comply with the entertainment standards of our culture. It may not even be part of his nature to joke around and carouse with celebrities, but knows it is necessary to break through to our shallow society. Most Americans, whether they want to admit it or not, become more sympathetic to a cause when they are entertained or have the backing of a celebrity. Politics is a a lot like the Wizard in the "Wizard of Oz". It takes a lot of "bells and whistles" to get your point across and be taken seriously. Unfortunately, I think he is being “forced” to comply with the entertainment standards of our culture. It may not even be part of his nature to joke around and carouse with celebrities, but knows it is necessary to break through to our shallow society. Most Americans, whether they want to admit it or not, become more sympathetic to a cause when they are entertained or have the backing of a celebrity. Politics is a a lot like the Wizard in the “Wizard of Oz”. It takes a lot of “bells and whistles” to get your point across and be taken seriously.

]]> By: Meredith http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2312 Meredith Mon, 19 Nov 2007 14:32:45 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2312 I didn't like the commercial at all. I feel at this time in history that we need to take everything a little more seriously. It makes me wonder how serious he is for what he stands for. I didn’t like the commercial at all. I feel at this time in history that we need to take everything a little more seriously. It makes me wonder how serious he is for what he stands for.

]]> By: Scott Malensek http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2311 Scott Malensek Mon, 19 Nov 2007 12:54:08 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2311 That was awesome! Politics needs to be a little more light-hearted and jovial. Huckabee repeatedly point to his website for the details of his positions, and his positions are stated by Norris. In this case, what we're seeing is a person's charisma-their sizzle, and not just the steak, and while too many politicians are all sizzle, it's vitally important that we remember that many (most?) Americans look at the sizzle first and don't care about the steak. For example, who can deny that President Bush is a horrific orator? The man can't read a teleprompter. Sure, some of his speeches are great when you read them, but to watch him speak can often be painful. Contrast that with others who have no positions, who waffle back and forth every other minute, and who have far more support than the President's averaged in eight years. My grandmother HATES President Bush-not because of his policies, but because of his swagger, and in reality, because he is so anti-charismatic to her that she simply isn't led by him. One of the things that makes a leader more than a manager is his/her ability to get people to follow even if they're not interested in looking at the details of why. How many people followed FDR or Kennedy because they agreed with the details of their Indochina policies? I doubt any, but in FDR's case, that policy is exactly what forced the Japanese to attack the US (a US oil embargo in response to Japanese movement of air forces into Vietnam etc), and in Kennedy's case, how many protesters took to the streets to stand against US advisors sent to train a poor weak democracy in a jungle region crawling with communists? Many people want sizzle. Go for it Huck. We can look up the details on his site if we want steak. That was awesome! Politics needs to be a little more light-hearted and jovial. Huckabee repeatedly point to his website for the details of his positions, and his positions are stated by Norris. In this case, what we’re seeing is a person’s charisma-their sizzle, and not just the steak, and while too many politicians are all sizzle, it’s vitally important that we remember that many (most?) Americans look at the sizzle first and don’t care about the steak. For example, who can deny that President Bush is a horrific orator? The man can’t read a teleprompter. Sure, some of his speeches are great when you read them, but to watch him speak can often be painful. Contrast that with others who have no positions, who waffle back and forth every other minute, and who have far more support than the President’s averaged in eight years. My grandmother HATES President Bush-not because of his policies, but because of his swagger, and in reality, because he is so anti-charismatic to her that she simply isn’t led by him.

One of the things that makes a leader more than a manager is his/her ability to get people to follow even if they’re not interested in looking at the details of why. How many people followed FDR or Kennedy because they agreed with the details of their Indochina policies? I doubt any, but in FDR’s case, that policy is exactly what forced the Japanese to attack the US (a US oil embargo in response to Japanese movement of air forces into Vietnam etc), and in Kennedy’s case, how many protesters took to the streets to stand against US advisors sent to train a poor weak democracy in a jungle region crawling with communists?

Many people want sizzle. Go for it Huck. We can look up the details on his site if we want steak.

]]> By: Carolyn http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2308 Carolyn Mon, 19 Nov 2007 04:13:21 +0000 http://davidjeffers.thevanguard.org/143/help-me-out/#comment-2308 I don't know Dave- I found that kind of goofy. I mean, I really like Chuck and all that, and like some of Mike Huckabee's qualities, but as far as adressing anything serious- well, that commercial is severely lacking. We'll see how things go soon enough. Thank you Dave~ Carolyn I don’t know Dave- I found that kind of goofy. I mean, I really like Chuck and all that, and like some of Mike Huckabee’s qualities, but as far as adressing anything serious- well, that commercial is severely lacking. We’ll see how things go soon enough. Thank you Dave~ Carolyn

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